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"Vision 2019 is an opportunity to say 'here's what I think our church needs to be about.'"
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Review responses from other Canadian Anglicans below (most recent responses are at the top). You can also view responses by diocese, and add your own story.

Message from David F., Diocese of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island

Sent to us on October 1st, 2009

I don’t really want to seem critical of a well-intended initiative, but I have viewed (most of) the videos; they are partronizing, ill-defined, non-specific.  Unfortunately our church comes across the same way (in other words, Tim Smart may have gotten it right).

At 2010 General Synod, let’s bite the bullet, put the sexuality debate on the table and make a decision.  I would like to see the church diverse and inclusive, and would argue strenuously for such a choice (I was very impressed with the actions of General Convention in the Episcopal Church this summer).  Nevertheless, I would have to either live with a contrary decision or leave, but at least I’d be out of limbo and would know what the church stands for.  Right now I don’t, and I have seen nothing in the Vision 2019 materials that makes me think we will be out of the ennui that has paralyzed us.

As you can probably tell, I have no interest in 2019 until we’ve dealt with the present tense (and tension).

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Message from A member of Church of the Redeemer, Toronto

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

My vision of the church is based on Matthew 22: 37-39 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I am happy to say my experience in the Anglican Church, and in particular at Church of the Redeemer, is very close to what I am looking for. I am cared for by the clergy and by the community – on a personal, everyday level and on a spiritual level. The music is gorgeous with mostly classical and traditional hymns, but it ventures into gospel and other types of music (including a few services based on contemporary music such as U2). We are incredibly blessed to haveCanon Andrew Asbil as our incumbent. He is a truly gifted minister - who offers sermons week after week that intelligently blend the experiences of every day life with profound Christian messages. I am always inspired. He is also a skilled listener and spiritual counsellor who is generous with his time. His door has always been open to me in times of sorrow and joy.

My wish for the church in the future is that every Anglican could have such a wonderful experience in their parish. Everyone should have a place like this to come and learn how to love God with all their heart and mind and soul. A place that they can bring their questions and struggles. Most importantly, it should be a place to learn about the limitless love of God for themselves and the world. It should be a place that expresses the love of God in all that it does. (And yes, for me, that means it is an inclusive place that does not distinguish between people based on race, gender, ability or sexual orientation. We should continue to reach out to people who are concerned about the authority of scripture and disagree with same-sex blessings on that basis. We have to express the love of God to them too, but my own belief is that this is a matter of love and justice, and the church has to stop discriminating against gays and lesbians.)

Which brings me to the second commandment and my view of the way the church will survive and grow in the future. Love your neighbour as yourself. For me, that means we need to love the person next to us in the pew, the people we encounter in our daily lives, but especially the poor, the hurting and the oppressed in our own land and abroad. Redeemer does this well with a lunch program for the poor and marginalized in the neighbourhood, but I want to see us do more. I know that PWRDF does this globally, but I want to see us do more.

This kind of outreach is also what I believe the church needs to do to survive in the future. People in both the developed world and in developing countries are disillusioned by the injustice of current economic and political systems. We are all crying out that we want to change the world, but I think many people feel powerless and don’t know where to turn to channel their desires and efforts to make the world better. In Canada, I think it is particularly important for the church to work for justice for First Nations people and to protect the environment. I think the church needs to work with ecumenical and interfaith partners to show people that religion is a creative force for good, not division. We should gather momentum with other partners, including social justice and environmental organizations, to work for change. I know churches already do this. I want to do more, but I think we also need to get better at telling the world that this is what we are about. Maybe then they will see that the love and light they long to see in the world can be found in the church.

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Message from A priest in rural ministry in Saskatchewan

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

Dear Vision 2019,

*I am the rector of a rural parish with 3 points.  What follows is a personal reflection: it it not the fruit of discussion or consultation with the parish.  I would like the contribution to remain anonymous — just describe me as a priest in rural ministry in Saskatchewan.*

We are very small, and remain financially viable because I am half-time and have another half-time job.  The parish is friendly, generous in giving (we pay more than our assessed fair share levy to the diocese) both to our own church and to other charitable causes, and the three points support each other very well.  We are old — my youngest parishioners are in their middle to late 50s and most are well above 65.  We do hospitality well, generosity well, and support for each other within the community reasonably well.  One point has an inter-church youth group which is flourishing, and parishioners pray, support its regular program financially, and dig deep to find scholarships for kids to go to church camp.   Only a few parishioners turn up for bible study or mid-week programs (one point is better than the others), and most parishioners are not articulate about their faith.   Sunday attendance in my big parish averages about 15, in the second parish about 11, and in my smallest parish a steady 2.

We teeter on the edge of viability, and apparently the parish has done this for the last 20 years.  There is a sense of inevitable decline.  For many the biggest hope is to keep a priest and a church going long enough to bury them.  Saskatchewan farmers are used to living precariously on the edge of disaster, so they do not carry the level of depression about all this that one might expect.

I encourage my parish to celebrate what they can and do achieve, to trust God for the bigger picture for the Church, and to be faithful witnesses in their generation.  I preach a lot for personal conversion and deepening of spiritual life, as I sense that many of my parishioners are churchgoers more by habit than out of a passionate relationship with Christ.  They are missing out and I don’t want them to!

Where will the Anglican Church of Canada be in 2019?  My guess is that we are on the edge of cataclysmic change.  Numbers are plummeting, finances are crashing, and we will no longer be able to maintain our traditional structures.  The only way forward for my diocese I think is to amalgamate with the two others in Saskatchewan — we are just too small to support the expense of an episcopal structure/synod office alone.
But we have to ask a more fundamental question: what is the reason for us keeping on keeping on?  If the only reason for keeping a parish going is habit and attachment to a building, then probably it is right that the parish should die.   The brutal question each parish and diocese needs to ask itself is: if we vanished from the face of the earth tomorrow, what would be missing?  That question might help us sort the wheat from the chaff.

One thing is clear — we must change or die.  My hunch is that many will choose to die rather than change, and if that is so, so be it.  The gospel will not perish, and God’s Kingdom will go forward.  I see signs of a new young generation of passionate Christians and Christian leaders emerging — the possiblity of a renaissance — but little within Anglican structures.  We are largely too wedded to the (Victorian) immediate past.

Lest you mistake this song of woe for a call to radical liberalism, I need to tell you that I am a theologically orthodox traditional Christian, loving catholic spirituality, evangelical passion for Christ, and charismatic ministries of healing and discernment.  At the root of our trouble as a church, I believe, is that we have become lukewarm in our devotion to Christ, replacing that inner fire with cozy socializing, mediocre worship and good works.

My hope is that by 2019 (the year I am due to retire, by the way, so I hope the pension fund still exists!)  what is left of the Anglican Church of Canada will have a deeper faith in Christ and a stronger conviction about what our distinctive contribution, as Anglicans, is  to the whole Body of Christ.  We will have to let go of most of our buildings.  Our clergy will be mostly unpaid.  We will need to train new clergy without the luxury of residential training in well-paid, well-heeled institutions.  All the mediocre, luke-warm pew-sitters will have departed — either to the grave or to other pews.  With the chaff blown away, we will find out if there is any wheat left: and if there is, then perhaps it will begin to grow.

“Except a grain of wheat fall into the earth and die, it remains alone: but if it dies, it will bear much fruit.”

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Message from Jean, from the Bruce Peninsula, ON

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

I would like to see my local Anglican congregation still thriving amongst a larger Parish here on the Bruce Peninsula. We already work with others to be able to remain with a small group. To be a faith community which includes our ELCIC (Lutheran) brothers & sisters & welcomes all to our Table. For this to happen we need to keep receiving new members into our midst & to go out into our community serving as a witness to our love. I would like to see people walking together in their diversity, celebrating our joy in the Spirit without judging others who choose to worship in a different way. I wish you well as you seek to build our church into the future. Thank you, God Bless, Love Jean

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Message from Patricia R., St. Paul’s Anglican Church, Nanaimo, BC

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

THOUGHTS FOR VISION 2019

Here are my thoughts for Vision 2019:

Where my Parish is now:

The Parish of St. Paul’s, Nanaimo, BC is very busy.  We are a downtown parish, with a predominantly older congregation, but we do a lot in our community besides offering a welcoming and caring place for worship, Bible study, Christian education, for both young and adult. We have a very active “Reaching Out” committee that is involved both locally with the Food Banks, Women’s Shelter, etc., and in the wider world with a foster child.  These are financed by donations and by fund-raising events from time to time.  Our door is open every weekday morning and those in need in the city know where to come for help.  We have an active “Fun, Food and Fellowship” committee that puts on dinners for fellowship at odd times during the year and even organizes visits to other parishes occasionally.  There is an active Altar Guild who look after preparation for the services, and decorating the church for festivals, and a number of other committees to look after the usual necessities, such as Building and Grounds, Stewardship, Education, etc., which report to the Parish Council.  There is an ad hoc committee planning for our 150th Anniversary in 2011.

The clergy and some of the laity conduct services in the various care homes in the city, and there is an active hospital visiting done by both clergy and laity.  In addition, we have supported two assistant curates in the past four years, who have gone on to ministries of their own.  We are incredibly blessed by a very able and caring rector, who is the Regional Archdeacon, and who deserves a lot of credit, as do the number of parishioners who contribute their time and talents to our many activities.

We have an average attendance of about 150 each Sunday, with an 8 am Book of Common Prayer Communion and a 10:30 Book of Alternative Services Eucharist,. with the exception of the 5th Sunday, when the books are reversed.  The 10:30 service includes a children’s story at the beginning and the children then go to Sunday School and come back for Communion later.  We also have Choral Evensong (BCP) on the 2nd and 4th Sunday evenings, and a mid-week Eucharist (BCP) each Wednesday at 11 am.  So both official liturgies are used regularly.

Because we are an older congregation, we have lost a number of parishioners who have gone to the Lord, but we seem to replace them with newcomers, mainly retirees from colder parts of Canada, and the number of baptisms, both infant and “of Riper Years” has increased in the past several years, as has the weddings.

Because of the changing demographics of the city, the Parish of St. James the Apostle was recently amalgamated with St. Paul’s, and we have welcomed a number of these people, who are beginning to take an active role in the parish.

In spite of all our activity in the parish, our finances are not the best.  We have hovered on the edge of deficit most of the last few years, and ended last year with a deficit of under $500. We are presently in a debt position which we commonly are at this time of year, so hopefully will pull out of it as we have in the past.  We are certainly not alone in the diocese in this respect.

This is just a snapshot of where we are today.

Where do I wish it to be in 2019?

I would pray that it will still be an active parish, and growing, although since I am a widow now in my eighties, it is doubtful that I shall be around to see it.  I sincerely hope that it will still be using the traditional Book of Common Prayer, as authorized by the General Synod of the Anglican Church of Canada in 1962, which is our Heritage, or perhaps a more recent edition, as long as the Theology in it, which I grew up with, remains essentially the same.  To me it is a much more meaningful template for living a truly Christian Life, for we approach God in worship with Reverence and Humility, which I personally find largely lacking in the BAS.  I recognize that there are many good things about the BAS, but as hard as I have tried, I still am not able to worship in the same way as with the BCP.  I am hopeful that the revision of the BAS which was authorized at the last General Synod may suit me better.

As is obvious, these are my own personal thoughts and feelings.  I certainly pray that the church will continue to welcome all people, as we have been doing, without judging their lifestyle or anything else about them, but not being afraid to say what we believe to be right and wrong according to God’s rules, not man’s.

Yours in Christ,

Patricia R.

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Message from Parish of New Germany, NS

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

Hello ….. After hearing the thoughts and discussion of our parishioners who responded to the questions, we pass along these thoughts…as we continue to pray for the church

(Rev) Catherine Robar for the Parish of New Germany

“Where is your church now, and where do you want the Anglican Church of Canada to be in 2019?”

We are encouraged by the friendship and welcoming community in our local parish; the joy we share in worshipping together and caring for each other; the opportunities we have to journey together in Christ.

We are concerned about our dwindling numbers, and that so much of our time and effort must be spent on fundraising to maintain our buildings and full-time ministry.

We are encouraged and uplifted to hear of the work being done through the networking of the Anglican Church worldwide; to hear of the work of the Primate’s Fund; and to know that in a small way we participate in this.

As we go forward…

We want our ‘beloved’ Anglican church to continue.

We want to develop, among our people of all ages, increased commitment to Christ – in our welcoming, our worship, our learning, our giving and our serving …

We want our churches to be inclusive communities which are, and are seen to be, places where Jesus’ love is received and offered, taught and lived.

We want our churches to be places where each member may be equipped for ministry and sent out to serve in our communities as Christ’s love calls us.

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Message from Gordon Light, Toronto

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

Where  is our Church now, and where do we want it to be in 2019?

I appreciate deeply where our church is now – wrestling, seeking, working to understand how God is calling us today, and exploring new forms of discipleship. It is easy to criticize ourselves for how we are failing – and I can be at least as critical as the next person. (Perhaps even more since I am now retired and don’t have the responsibility I once carried!) But I have to say that there is so much I cherish in the church, and I am grateful to be a member of it.

For some years I was fortunate to serve in the Diocese of Cariboo and, most recently, in the Anglican Parishes of the Central Interior. When our name was ‘Cariboo’, I delighted in belonging to a family that truly was a family. When we became the Anglican Parishes of the Central Interior, that sense of belonging continued (and continues.)  But there was a wound in our life – one that resulted from the dreadful legacy of our colonial history, including that of the Residential Schools. Many persons in the schools suffered loss of identity.  When the diocese was winding up its operation, Bishop Jim Cruickshank noted that now “we would no longer have Cariboo as our name”. In some small way, we were being called to learn something of what losing identity was about. But mostly God was asking us learn to be brothers and sisters in a new way. Perhaps it took us into a place where we were discovering something about healing. I long for a church in which we understand that healing – the healing of our souls, our neighbourhoods, our church, our world – begins when we acknowledge the wounds we have caused and those we have received, admit our need and pray for mercy and grace, recognize our deep need for each other, and seek the risen life offered through the wounds of Christ. My wife loves to quote a favourite phrase from U2, ‘We get to carry each other.”  Indeed, that is what sharing in the cross is about. Resurrection finds its beginnings in wounds.  I was thankful to share in a community of persons who had experienced a deep injury in our common life, carried each other and sought to hear God’s voice of new life in the midst of that.

For nearly a year now, I have been privileged to belong to an urban Toronto parish that is seeking to grow more deeply in discipleship. Like many urban churches, it has an old and large heritage building that is immensely costly. It was built for another age when church-going was integral to the culture. Yet even with the frustrations that come with such a plant, my sense is that the primary question at the heart of the parish’s life is mission. How will we serve God in our neighbourhood and world? How will we faithfully “proclaim by word and example the good news of God in Christ”? Many are engaged in some form of outreach – with young people, the homeless, the hungry. And, it seems, there is a willingness to listen to what the Spirit is saying through people in the wider community. It is a kind of paying attention that assumes God is calling us through other voices outside the church and in events that take place in the neighbourhood.

Last Sunday (September 27) was billed as ‘Back to church Sunday’ in the Diocese of Toronto. Vested in copes and mitres, The Toronto bishops greeted commuters at Union Station with an invitation. With other churches, members of our parish were encouraged to invite non church-going friends (or formerly church going friends) to come and see. As it turned out, Queen Street East, the main thoroughfare on which our church is located, was going to be blocked to traffic on that Sunday from 8.00 a.m. to 2.00 p.m. for a major marathon. Travel by car or public transit was not possible. My first response was frustration and disappointment – not a particularly helpful or faithful response! But leaders in the congregation started an email conversation and turned the occasion into a moment of mission. 4000 marathoners would be running by St. Aidan’s – how could the parish reach out to them? The idea of lawn signs welcoming and encouraging them was born. Signs greeted the marathoners that had the following captions: “Is there a patron saint of blisters?” ‘”Repent. Mile 25 is coming soon”, “Hit the wall? Come in and pray”. At the bottom of each were the words “God Bless Marathoners – from St. Aidan’s”.  A lot of people saw those signs. Some of the runners paused to take pictures, others wore a broad smile. When the priest was taking the signs down after the run, a race marshal came to tell her “This was a tough part of the race, and many runners got a laugh and encouragement.” That is mission – paying attention to what is going on and speaking to it as Christians with humour and grace.

Learning to be brothers and sisters in a new way.

Carrying each other in this broken world.

Paying attention to what God is saying to us from beyond our walls.

Engaging the world with creativity and compassion.

Keeping a sense of humour.

It seems to me that these are gifts we already have – at least in seed form.  When I dream of the Church of 2019, or any age, I hope that the seeds that are already present might be nurtured and flourish so that “we and all God’s children might be free and the whole earth live to praise God’s name.” I am glad to be a member of Christ’s body engaged in this sort of mission today.

Gordon Light,
St. Aidan’s, Toronto

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Message from Ronald Kydd, Cobourg ON

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

Vision 2019

Thank you for your urgings to write and for your insistence that one may respond at any level. I joined the Anglican Church in late1998 after several decades of ministry in another denomination, and I was priested in March, 2000. I feel as though I have found a spiritual home in Anglicanism, and consequently, I am very interested in its future in Canada.

Your questions use the word “church” in two different senses. In the first it is “church,” implying a local parish. In the second it is “Anglican Church of Canada,” a denomination. My response to both questions focuses on “church” as denomination.

Where is the Anglican Church of Canada Now?

There are many signs of spiritual life in the ACC which hold promise for the future. I mention briefly the Faith Works program of the Diocese of Toronto and the fact that the word “mission” appeared in diocesan discourse recently. Faith Works has been a part of our diocese for some time, but the idea of msssion seems to have caught on perhaps having noted the way some parishes do look beyond themselves. St. Peter’s, Cobourg, under the leadership of Canon Peter Walker would be one and perhaps St. David’s, Weston, is another. I am sure there are others. Bishops in full episcopal vestments handing out invitations to church in Union Station, Toronto would be a further encouragement to mission.

In addition to these strengths, we Anglicans are blessed with a deep and rich spiritual tradition and profound liturgies. Added to this we Anglicans as a group have an extraordinary place of interest among the cultural elites of our society—journalists, politicians, and leaders in the business community. Regrettably, all of this is being seriously threatened. The threat—an extemely soft spiritual and theological centre.

This condition is being illustrated in many ways. These may be exceptions to the rule or they may be the rule to which there are expections. (1) In my hearing and in committee, an Anglican priest in the Diocese of Toronto stated that she would not permit her life to be shaped by the Bible.  (2) There is a persistent religious relativism which has appeared from the episcopal chair to the pew. (3) We have permitted societal values to shape belief and policy to a remarkable extent.

Speaking of the 1950s and 60s, Robert Bellah, Episcopal layman and renowned scholar, and associates, in their analysis of American life, outline reasons which explain “. . . the quasi-therapeutic blandness that has afflicted much of mainline Protestant religion at the parish level for over a century. . . .”[1] One was the loss of confidence among religious intellectuals. I take that to mean that the biblical and theological liberalism which dominated most North American seminaries at the time made it difficult for them to offer clear and substantial teaching regarding historic, orthodox Christianity. As a student in the 60s in two seminaries, which were not Anglican I might add, I experienced precisely this. This has left “mainline” denominations, including our own, particularly vulnerable to non-Christian influences from our society. In another place, Bellah muses about the extent to which “. . . the world in which we live so invaded and eviscerated those communities [religious communities in the United States] that they have difficulty understanding their own core meanings.”[2]

The consequences are striking. We have lost members. These are not those who “are not leaving, they’re just not coming.” They have left. The ACC reached its highest number of persons per 1000 of Canadian population in 1921. It was 160 per 1000. It began to decline then, a decline which became rapid after 1961,until it reached the number found in the 2001 census—68 persons per 1000. This has meant the undermining of parish life and outreach and the slashing of budgets. Prominent American sociologist, Rodney Stark, in an interview in 2004 was asked what he thought about churches which choose to make themselves more popular by being very undemanding in either thought or practice. Stark replied: “They’re death wishes. People value religion on the basis of cost and they don’t value the cheapest ones the most. Religions that ask nothing get nothing.”[3]

It seems to me that we are in a position in which our basic theology threatens everything we are doing. We may be able to generate some enthusiasm by promotion and intense communication, but eventually the soft theological centre will again derail us.

Where Should the Anglican Church in Canada Be in 2019?

Led by its clergy, the ACC should be embracing the historic creeds and the biblical revelation of God in Christ, resulting in more people being drawn into relationship with God through Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit. There should be less reliance on old “liberal”, bultmanian modalities, and there is plenty of help available. To name only a few, The Rt. Rev. N. T. Wright, Prof. Christopher Seitz, Prof. Richard Bauckham, and Prof. Anthony Thistleton, Anglicans all, are doing brilliant work. What they are writing and saying should trouble fundamentalists of the left as well as those of the right.

The ACC should be open and receptive to all, acknowledging that all of us stand under scripture and are subject to the judgment of God. The scriptures make very clear how we are to live our lives both for God’s glory and to our own benefit. The denomination should be characterized by people committed to Jesus Christ and acknowledging him as Lord who are going into society at all levels to help others find the lives that God intends for them.

The Rev. Dr. Ronald Kydd
Honourary Assistant, St. Peter’s, Cobourg
and Research Professor of Church History,
Tyndale Seminary, Toronto


[1] Robert Bellah and Associates. Habits of the Heart: Individualism and Commitment in American Live (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1996), p. 238.

[2] Bellah, The Robert Bellah Reader, Edited by Robert N. bellah and Steven N. Tipton (Durham: Duke University Press, 2006), p. 215.

[3] Posted July 22, 2004. Stark and associates expanded on this in What Americans Really Believe: New Findings from the Baylor Surveys of Religion (Waco, Texas: Baylor University Press, 2008), p. 29-36.

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Message from St. Dunstan’s Victoria, BC

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

Here are the attributes we would want our church to have both now and ten years from now.

A church which is:

  • Spirit filled
  • Growing
  • Attractive to and has young people
  • Relevant
  • Responsive
  • Reaching out to the needs of others both within and outside of the faith community
  • A vibrant community of Christ
  • Feeding its people
  • Financially solvent and is able to give lots away to those who need it
  • Welcoming
  • Happy
  • Telling people about Jesus without reservation
  • Positive

I would add from my perspective: a church which is engaged ecumenically, listening to other voices in the Anglican Communion and other traditions of the Catholic Church, and sending and receiving people in mission and through our companion diocese relationships.

Blessings

The Rev. Canon John Steele,
St. Dunstan’s Victoria, B.C.

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Message from St.Thomas Church, Moose Factory, ON

Sent to us on September 30th, 2009

A response from St.Thomas Church, Moose Factory, ON

vision 2019

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